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neil: what do you think with what john boehner has come up with? that was his opening offer. >> it makes no sense to negotiate with ours when a president has not put a sious offer on the table. we need to remind americans, we do not need to take more money from the economy and give it to incomincompetent politicians and bureaucrats, we're not talking about revenue problem, we have doubled our spending but they' more money, and they want republicans to vote to pay for obama's welfa state, we did not vote for it. neil: you would not -- you would not support a hike in taxes in anyway shape or form? >> no but we will get more revenue if we reform our tax code and a pro-growth way, 3/10 of 1% will generate more revenue than what president obama is taxing about what he says tax the rich, his proposal does not add a drop in the buckie on the our problem. this is not a plan or a solution, this is a political trophy, to the left. and republicans should not go along with it. neil: u know, senator, a pleasure knowing you, i always gauge viewer interest in a p
neil: what do you think with what john boehner has come up with? that was his opening offer. >> it makes no sense to negotiate with ours when a president has not put a sious offer on the table. we need to remind americans, we do not need to take more money from the economy and give it to incomincompetent politicians and bureaucrats, we're not talking about revenue problem, we have doubled our spending but they' more money, and they want republicans to vote to pay for obama's welfa state,...
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>>> president and speaker boehner agreed that loose lips sink ships until today. it is tuesday, december 11th, and this is "now." >>> joining us today political analyst and washington bureau chief for more jones david korn and communications director and an msnbc political analyst karen finish where i politico executive editor jim van dehigh, and chief national correspondent for the morning times magazine mark rubavich. >>> over at the white house president obama has no public events scheduled. meanwhile, over in michigan thousands of union members and supporters are protesting at the state capitol building in lancing. the state, which is the heart of the united autoworkers and ground zero for union rights is poised to sign a major anti-labor bill into law today. the president weighed in on that, speaking yesterday in redford. >> these right to work clause, they don't have anything with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. america is not going to compete based on low
>>> president and speaker boehner agreed that loose lips sink ships until today. it is tuesday, december 11th, and this is "now." >>> joining us today political analyst and washington bureau chief for more jones david korn and communications director and an msnbc political analyst karen finish where i politico executive editor jim van dehigh, and chief national correspondent for the morning times magazine mark rubavich. >>> over at the white house president...
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he met with speaker boehner yesterday. that's the first face to face in nearly a month and their one on one first one since july 2011. now, the other strategy as michigan congressman clark explains is going to the people. >> i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go to the american people because it's we the people that demand that the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff but resolve in it a way that makes our country stronger. >> let me bring in the "news nation" political panel. neimalik henderson and goodfreend and contributor michael smerkonish. you the people, you talk to folks all day long on the radio show that you have that's syndicated in cities and states. what do you make of the president picking up where he left off so often going straight to the folks at snoem. >> he is really mained a full court press that began in the campaign season and never ended after election day and i think that two-prong attack you reference is good politics and seems to be working in l
he met with speaker boehner yesterday. that's the first face to face in nearly a month and their one on one first one since july 2011. now, the other strategy as michigan congressman clark explains is going to the people. >> i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go to the american people because it's we the people that demand that the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff but resolve in it a way that makes our country stronger. >> let...
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more boehner has proposed that in tax reform. it kind of looks like that raising taxes on the wealthy. that means the president which has laid down a substantive plan has to address spending cuts. we need about two dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in tax increases and it has to include entitlement reform. he has talked about different index inflation for social security and raising the age of medicare. that is the grand bargain that we need to do so we stop the negotiation and come to the principle compromise so we have a sustainable debt to g.d.p. ratio so our economy grows. that is what the compromise should the have to do and tax reform and entitlements and raising marginal tax rates. >> heather: do you think compromise is in progress in terms of the meeting today? >> any time the parties are talking face to face and not picking up the phone and having short conversations is a good thing. occasionally a deal gets done. we've been down this road before. boehner thought he had a deal with the president and president tho
more boehner has proposed that in tax reform. it kind of looks like that raising taxes on the wealthy. that means the president which has laid down a substantive plan has to address spending cuts. we need about two dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in tax increases and it has to include entitlement reform. he has talked about different index inflation for social security and raising the age of medicare. that is the grand bargain that we need to do so we stop the negotiation and come to...
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president obama and john boehner are on a collision course. tonight i'll tell you who is going to be blink first. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> the leverage is going the shift to our side where hopefully we'll do the same thing we did last time. >> republicans reveal their fiscal cliff end game. give in on taxes and take the economy hostage again. congressman chris van hollen responds tonight. >>> somehow raising the medicare eligibility age is back in the fiscal cliff discussion. david cay johnston says it would be -- to do it, and he is here tonight. >> what we shouldn't be doing is try to take away your rights to bargain for better working conditions. >> in michigan, the president stands up for workers like he has never done before. >> these so-called right the work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. >> tonight the president's big speech, and why the fight in michigan is an assault on workers everywhere. >>> plus, major news on a white house push for immigration reform. in 40
president obama and john boehner are on a collision course. tonight i'll tell you who is going to be blink first. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> the leverage is going the shift to our side where hopefully we'll do the same thing we did last time. >> republicans reveal their fiscal cliff end game. give in on taxes and take the economy hostage again. congressman chris van hollen responds tonight. >>> somehow raising the medicare eligibility age is back...
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boehner. i think again you are getting arrogance and huborous on the part of the president, who has a hand in this, and i think if he goes off that's a bridge too far for him. if he goes off to hawaii and spends three weeks there, and no deal happens and the fiscal cliff hits and we've got the largest tax increase in history and the markets plummet and he's sitting over there splashing in the surf, i don't think he can do it. >> i wonder what other nations think about us? this is, you know, is it a terrible problem we are going through right now, but we look like we can't handle our own business. we can't talk to each other, we can't figure out our own economics, and i can't think what kind of morale authority do we have in the world when we look so pathetic, so pathetic in terms of how we handle things and the fact that we don't? >> the problem with the american people is today they are -- greta, they are as deeply divided and polarized as we have almost ever been. look what boehner is could
boehner. i think again you are getting arrogance and huborous on the part of the president, who has a hand in this, and i think if he goes off that's a bridge too far for him. if he goes off to hawaii and spends three weeks there, and no deal happens and the fiscal cliff hits and we've got the largest tax increase in history and the markets plummet and he's sitting over there splashing in the surf, i don't think he can do it. >> i wonder what other nations think about us? this is, you...
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rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, you have to give him credit, calm, cool, collected, holding the line and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. will republicans punish speaker boehner for trying to work with the president? text a for yes, b to no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring the results later on in the show. joining me tonight is congressman emanuel cleaver from missouri. congressman, great to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> you bet. i would like to talk about the congressional black caucus if i could. they
rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, you have to give him credit, calm, cool, collected, holding the line and remembering what this...
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well, president obama and speaker boehner met one on one at the white house last night. it was the first time in almost a month. neither side is talking about what happened. but today president obama continues his public campaign to pressure republicans to give on taxes. later this afternoon, he'll head to michigan to talk to auto workers outside a plant in detroit. >>> if you listen to the sunday shows, seems like some republicans are willing to give in on taxes to get where they want to go. entitlements. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house. that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory. i actually think it has merit. where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about. the rate increase on the top 2%. and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. >> let me bring in "washington post" columnist danny milbank and "usa tod
well, president obama and speaker boehner met one on one at the white house last night. it was the first time in almost a month. neither side is talking about what happened. but today president obama continues his public campaign to pressure republicans to give on taxes. later this afternoon, he'll head to michigan to talk to auto workers outside a plant in detroit. >>> if you listen to the sunday shows, seems like some republicans are willing to give in on taxes to get where they want...
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speaker boehner, don't give an inch on taxes. >> both john boehner -- what i'm saying is both john boehner and i say, look, if you want to make a deal, you're going to have to consider what the other party wants, what the other side wants, what -- you have to get to an agreement. >> neil: what would the agreement be, one to one? >> look, i've been for bowls simpson and -- the outline, not the specifics. what they said is we need to deal with entitlements, we need to strengthen social security and medicare and make sure they're sustainable. >> neil: their ratio was $3 in spending cuts to 1 dollar in revenue. what do you think this will be? >> actually, frankly, as you probably know, neil, the bowles simpson proposal was closer to 2-1 than 3-1. >> neil: do you think the final package will be 2-1? >> i don't know. i know this, that frankly we ought to stop talking about the politics or ideology. we have a math problem in my opinion. the problem is we need to get -- you could pick your target. my target would be 70% of debt to gdp by 2022 or 2023. then work the math backwards and how you get t
speaker boehner, don't give an inch on taxes. >> both john boehner -- what i'm saying is both john boehner and i say, look, if you want to make a deal, you're going to have to consider what the other party wants, what the other side wants, what -- you have to get to an agreement. >> neil: what would the agreement be, one to one? >> look, i've been for bowls simpson and -- the outline, not the specifics. what they said is we need to deal with entitlements, we need to strengthen...
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and that requires some level of compromise with john boehner, with republicans. it's going to be an interesting first 100 days. because he's going to be dealing with both those issues having a pretty strong hand, but desperately needing republican help. >> jim vandehei, always good to have you on the program. >> thanks, chris. >>> today's tweet of the day might be an indication that people are starting to tune out all of the fiscal cliff rangling. lisa barton writes from now on whenever i hear or read the words "fiscal cliff" or any related bad metaphors, parts of my brain will shut down. #catatonic. plus a powerful decongestant. zyrtec-d® lets me breath freer, so i can love the air. [ male announcer ] zyrtec-d®. behind the pharmacy counter. no prescription needed. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s and dot our "i"s, we still run into problems -- mainly other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with accident forgiveness if you qualify, where your rates won't go up due to your
and that requires some level of compromise with john boehner, with republicans. it's going to be an interesting first 100 days. because he's going to be dealing with both those issues having a pretty strong hand, but desperately needing republican help. >> jim vandehei, always good to have you on the program. >> thanks, chris. >>> today's tweet of the day might be an indication that people are starting to tune out all of the fiscal cliff rangling. lisa barton writes from...
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in return boehner will demand something in return. that has got to be serious spending cuts and serious entitlement reform. so far the president has not given very much. although i will say when i talked to tim geithner, treasury secretary last week on "fox news sunday", he seemed to be inviting the republicans to do it, in effect saying look we'll not sit there did it ourselves. we can't make your demand for you. you should two demand it. of course there is some politics in that because it is a little difficult to say, yeah we want to raise retirement age for medicare or we want to cut or limit the social security cost of living adjustment. but i think the democrats will say, republicans you have to demand it but we'll give it to you if you demand it. martha: seems there are two levels of the political reaction to all of this. you've got the moment when a deal is reachesed, okay? you have what happens to the economy, six, seven, eight months down the road. if indeed you allow taxes to go up on all 100% and it starts to hit businesses
in return boehner will demand something in return. that has got to be serious spending cuts and serious entitlement reform. so far the president has not given very much. although i will say when i talked to tim geithner, treasury secretary last week on "fox news sunday", he seemed to be inviting the republicans to do it, in effect saying look we'll not sit there did it ourselves. we can't make your demand for you. you should two demand it. of course there is some politics in that...
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i was curious to see john boehner's tone and wasn't try gent. he wasn't saying there's a deal but he wasn't saying, you know, we're nowhere. like he had been saying before. >> when you assert the spth not serious, that is not, hey, we're working on something here. unless you can read in to that something different. >> if you follow the logic saying you're not sere youz because there aren't specific cuts then if there are then it holds that he is being serious then i guess you would think that in the next few days, five, seven, seven, eight days you might see specifics. i think what you are seeing is a pr battle where you say if it doesn't pass, who gets the blame? republicans are the ones people say they blame the most and republicans trying to push back on the message. >> they certainly are doing that but when you look at the optics of it, it's pr and what you say and where you say it matters. you have the backdrop with the president yesterday and the union workers in their own battle and face of middle america and middle class and speaker boeh
i was curious to see john boehner's tone and wasn't try gent. he wasn't saying there's a deal but he wasn't saying, you know, we're nowhere. like he had been saying before. >> when you assert the spth not serious, that is not, hey, we're working on something here. unless you can read in to that something different. >> if you follow the logic saying you're not sere youz because there aren't specific cuts then if there are then it holds that he is being serious then i guess you would...
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maybe the democrats ought to tell john boehner, you know what? 39.6% looks pretty good right now, because after the first of the year we're going for 42%. make boehner come to the table, and make him come squealing to the table saying you can't go to 42%. oh, yes we can, because there is enough progressives in the house that would band together and say you know what? we need to go beyond, because we've got some real fiscal problems in this country. and we can go to the wealthiest americans and get a hell of a lot more than the old rates under bill clinton. why not go to 42%? why not go to 45% for people who make over $10 million a year? i mean, do we really want to solve this? do we really want sacrifice? or do we just want to take our toe and put it in the lake and see if it's still cold out? come on, folks. these lawmakers in washington need some pressure put on them. we need to go higher than 39.6%. we need to go to at least 42% for the wealthiest americans making over a million dollars a year and tell bain their is the way it's going to be, o
maybe the democrats ought to tell john boehner, you know what? 39.6% looks pretty good right now, because after the first of the year we're going for 42%. make boehner come to the table, and make him come squealing to the table saying you can't go to 42%. oh, yes we can, because there is enough progressives in the house that would band together and say you know what? we need to go beyond, because we've got some real fiscal problems in this country. and we can go to the wealthiest americans and...
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and more people trust him to handle fiscal cliff negotiations than speaker boehner to handle the pole. poll. is that why people feel he's going to win at least talking about taxes. >> one, the approval rating is very high. two, republicans go either way. whether republicans want to cut a deal and raise taxes just on the rich or whether they won't go with a deal on january 1st, you'll see taxes to rise on everybody. there's a feeling with democrats they're going to win and get what they want either way. this is trufrustrating republic. when i talk to republicans privately, they say this is hugest from trags. the speaker has put $800 billion on the table and said he would go higher than if the president would come along with spending cuts. >> how high are you hearing? >> it's unclear. i think he's just signaling a willingness which many republicans tell me will also end up being a move on the tax rates. but he can't go there with his caucus, unless he has the spending cuts that he can sell $800 billion in revenue, and we're going to get you $800 billion in spending cuts. democrats don't
and more people trust him to handle fiscal cliff negotiations than speaker boehner to handle the pole. poll. is that why people feel he's going to win at least talking about taxes. >> one, the approval rating is very high. two, republicans go either way. whether republicans want to cut a deal and raise taxes just on the rich or whether they won't go with a deal on january 1st, you'll see taxes to rise on everybody. there's a feeling with democrats they're going to win and get what they...
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boehner wants more specifics of obama. who's going to show their hand first in this game of chicken? >> well, i certainly hope the president doesn't because he's got all the cards. he has aces up the sleeve so, you know, the bush tax cuts simply expire at the end of the year. i know there's a lot of worry and a lot of concern about what happens if we go over the fiscal cliff, curb, slope, whatever. maybe it's not optimal but it's way better than a bad deal and i think i can't see getting a serious deal done before the holidays. if you talk about all of the intricate things that wonks on both sides maybe could agree, i'm not sure i would agree to any of them, they're so complicated. senator durbin made this point. maybe you force changes on medicare or social security, i hope not but if you do, you can't do that in ten days or five business days or whatever it is. these things take a lot of time and so for the president to -- for democrats to agree to sort of kick the can, extend the tax cuts for another period of time is c
boehner wants more specifics of obama. who's going to show their hand first in this game of chicken? >> well, i certainly hope the president doesn't because he's got all the cards. he has aces up the sleeve so, you know, the bush tax cuts simply expire at the end of the year. i know there's a lot of worry and a lot of concern about what happens if we go over the fiscal cliff, curb, slope, whatever. maybe it's not optimal but it's way better than a bad deal and i think i can't see getting...
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john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of the party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink, because -- tell them why. >> they have taken my milk and up there it in the garbage. >> eric: bar guy.>> poor guy. >> dana: hard to be a leader. lonely at the top. i have a story about a monkey and ikea. the shoppers are at ikea and they look down and there is a monkey in a coat. he got away from his owners. so the monkey was walking around. they got fined. they only got fined $240 for having illegal pet. which you can't have a monkey, bob, i know you had one in college. not a good idea. do not try this at home. i thought that was weird. at the time, set your dvrs or tune in at 1:00 p.m. i'm on the record filling in for greta. greg, do not give a look like that, mr. self-promotion. on the record tonight. >> bob: mention the book. >> dana: talk about the monkey? >> greg: where did a monkey get a coat that size. i need to find out. it's hard for me to get -- >> dana: down the street. we
john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of the party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink, because -- tell them why. >> they have taken my milk and up there it in the garbage. >> eric: bar guy.>> poor guy. >> dana: hard to be a leader. lonely at the top. i have a story about a monkey and ikea. the shoppers are at ikea and they look down and there is a monkey in a coat. he got away from his owners. so the monkey was...
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house speaker john boehner saying he wants the president to get serious. he wants a counter offer to the republican offer. there's been no noticeable movement on this in the last couple weeks, and for republicans, and the chairman, he says, look, republicans have bent on taxes. >> in some form or fashion, it's written into current law, unless he changes his mind and as an epiphany he'll have tax revenues, not destaining my best efforts in getting it. >> the president, unlike any other party in the negotiations, put forward detailed spending cuts as well as detailed revenue proposals. >> that's where they are stuck. republicans say want spending cuts in exchange for $800 billion in increased revenue, and the democrats in the white house say we need to know from you, republicans, what spending cuts are on the table, but first thing to do is raise revenue and rates on those earning more than $250,000 a year, and, guys, we are getting close to the point now where congress has to write a bill or agreement they reach, getting down to the wire here. not like you
house speaker john boehner saying he wants the president to get serious. he wants a counter offer to the republican offer. there's been no noticeable movement on this in the last couple weeks, and for republicans, and the chairman, he says, look, republicans have bent on taxes. >> in some form or fashion, it's written into current law, unless he changes his mind and as an epiphany he'll have tax revenues, not destaining my best efforts in getting it. >> the president, unlike any...
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there is the possible, some people are saying, look, if speaker boehner does not agree to something, the republican conference that they lie, he is out. a group downtown is very upset at him and sorry groups, as well, but it take as lot to kick speaker boehner out. the best thing he has going for him, his leadership is four square behind him. that wasn't necessarily the case last year. there were tensions between the staff with the majority leader and he is now on board, and the whip is on board, and, more importantly, paul ryan, is on board and he is part of the meet ing. >>neil: thank you very much. our work is not done, but we will be there to help the country out. thank you, chad. in the meantime, santa, santa, santa is getting into the spending act. say it ain't. >> we have a special guest would needs absolutely no introduction. i would like everyone to welcome santa. [ applause ] twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blo
there is the possible, some people are saying, look, if speaker boehner does not agree to something, the republican conference that they lie, he is out. a group downtown is very upset at him and sorry groups, as well, but it take as lot to kick speaker boehner out. the best thing he has going for him, his leadership is four square behind him. that wasn't necessarily the case last year. there were tensions between the staff with the majority leader and he is now on board, and the whip is on...
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a fox urgent, breaking news on a one-on-one meeting held between president obama and house speaker boehner on the so-called fiscal cliff. and the two most important players involving the financial future of our nation. i'm harris falkner, we're told a meeting was held behind closed door and without the media's knowledge and both men tight-lipped about what was said and when we asked for comments, both giving us the same statement, quote, this afternoon the president and speaker boehner met at the white house to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff, we're not reading out details of the communication, but the lines of communication remain open, end quote. this meeting comes as the white house and congress appear to be at at impasse, you know by now is crippling spending and tax hikes and could cost us jobs and send us back into recession and to solve the problem, republicans say we must prevent our ballooning national debt from crushing generations. and chief white house correspondent now ed henry joins us by phone with the latest on this breaking story, ed, they kept this under wraps
a fox urgent, breaking news on a one-on-one meeting held between president obama and house speaker boehner on the so-called fiscal cliff. and the two most important players involving the financial future of our nation. i'm harris falkner, we're told a meeting was held behind closed door and without the media's knowledge and both men tight-lipped about what was said and when we asked for comments, both giving us the same statement, quote, this afternoon the president and speaker boehner met at...
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now, what needs to happen to persuade speaker boehner? i mean, do we need to raise lazarus from the dead? >> i don't know what we have to do. the public has clearly spoken. this election showed that people in regard to making less than $250,000 the tax cuts should be extended. we agree on that. we need to let that happen as soon as possible. but they have also said that those who have benefitted and are doing very well in our society should pay more. and so i don't know why they can't get this through their heads, martin. but they need to get it. because the public has spoken and the public has been very clear on that. >> and today former speaker nancy pelosi schooled speaker boehner on what it means to make difficult decisions as a leader. take a listen to this. >> i had to do it as speaker. do you know what it was like for me to bring a bill to floor to fund the war in iraq? so it's tough. but you have to do it. so is the point that you don't want to put your members on the spot, figure it out. we did. figure it out. >> there's nancy pe
now, what needs to happen to persuade speaker boehner? i mean, do we need to raise lazarus from the dead? >> i don't know what we have to do. the public has clearly spoken. this election showed that people in regard to making less than $250,000 the tax cuts should be extended. we agree on that. we need to let that happen as soon as possible. but they have also said that those who have benefitted and are doing very well in our society should pay more. and so i don't know why they can't get...
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come up with boehner's plan to cut spending. (laughter) >> a lot of people know that the president and i met on sunday it was a nice meeting, it was cordial but we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make, where are the presidents spending cuts? >> stephen: now critics say the speaker is just asking democrats to put specifics in into the republican proposal but i say that's kind of fun. it makes the budget into a giant mad-lib. for instance, we agree to cut ten be zillion from the program that gives ukuleles to the sticky poor. toilet boom! (cheers and applause) we will have more on this story -- if i have to. (laughter) nation, there's a danger lurking around every corner. that's why i say we must start making all of our buildings round. (laughter) this is the threat down. (cheers and applause) first up, folks, i always keep watch on our international enemies, especially north korea. and their dear leader kim jong-un. in my book he is public enemy number un. (laughter)
come up with boehner's plan to cut spending. (laughter) >> a lot of people know that the president and i met on sunday it was a nice meeting, it was cordial but we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make, where are the presidents spending cuts? >> stephen: now critics say the speaker is just asking democrats to put specifics in into the republican proposal but i say that's kind of fun. it makes the budget into a giant...
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the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no leverage. the consequences of doing nothing before the december 31st meeting were worse for them than democrats. they looked into 2013 and maybe found something there. they're threatening again to hold the full credit of the united states hostage. joous lick the debacle of 2011. obama's official position on this is he won't be blackmailed. and he won't -- but this is a dangerous game. if republicans are serious about pulling a repeat of 2011, obama can't ignore them. since it will wreck immediate havoc on the economy. white house wants at the very least a lon
the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no...
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it's doing definite damage to boehner's brand. a new "washington post"/abc poll showing voters overwhelmingly disapprove of boehner's handling of the fiscal talks. it's an even split on the president. who is still sticking to his guns, urging the gop to pass tax cuts for the middle class by christmas? >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on high end individuals like you and me. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal but time is running short. >> right to work is wrong! >>> our other story developing in michigan today, where labor unions are considering a large scale counter offensive. the home of the uaw is now the first blue right to work state after a pair of bills were signed into law by governor rick snyder who appeared on msnbc's "morning joe" today. >> i believe this is pro-worker. because the way i view it is workers now have freedom to choose. this does not deal with organizing at all. this does not deal with collective bargainin
it's doing definite damage to boehner's brand. a new "washington post"/abc poll showing voters overwhelmingly disapprove of boehner's handling of the fiscal talks. it's an even split on the president. who is still sticking to his guns, urging the gop to pass tax cuts for the middle class by christmas? >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on high end individuals like you and me. we can afford it. it is entirely...
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john boehner he listen to this, this is b 12 john boehner after the election, what he was calling the president to do which he is not doing. >> mr. president this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans but as americans. we want to you lead, not as a liberal or conservative, but as president of the united states of america. we want to you succeed. let's challenge ourselves to find the common ground that has alluded us. let's rise above the dysfunction and do the right thing together for our country. >> cenk: now look, i'll tell i couldn't this pisses me off. lindsey graham says the same thing. this is not time to be liberal. conservatives say time to be conservatives. we've got a mandate. but not time to be liberal time to be bipartisan. you play small ball. you're not a man. a man agrees with us? why, a man kicks your ass. >> that is not why he wanted to win. it wasn't just about getting elected. that's what lindsey graham and john boehner don't see. they are not leading. they boehner is complaining we're not getting specifics. the republicans gave no s
john boehner he listen to this, this is b 12 john boehner after the election, what he was calling the president to do which he is not doing. >> mr. president this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans but as americans. we want to you lead, not as a liberal or conservative, but as president of the united states of america. we want to you succeed. let's challenge ourselves to find the common ground that has alluded us. let's rise above the dysfunction and do...
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but boehner has been making tough calls. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate increase if they have something to show for it. and the irony here, on a whole variety of issue, the democrats should be in favor of certain kinds of entitlement reforms. it's not actually that big of a give. on social security, as an example, democrats have won for the time being on privatization being completely off the table. there's a strong argument for trying to lock that in now as oppose eed to waiting and having that potentially come back. in addition, one of the big concerns here is doing too much fiscal austerity too soon. the more you did in the form of social security chrks can be phased in gradually over time, the lighter the load imposed in 201
but boehner has been making tough calls. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate increase if they have something to show for it. and the irony here, on a whole variety of issue, the democrats should...
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they are open to it in 2011 in the boehner/obama talks. they are open to it now. what's weird about this policy is it's always presented as the height of fiscal responsibility, even though it's kind of fiscally irresponsible, which brings us to the challenge. why raising the age does not save you very much money and is probably a bad policy idea in under two minutes. do we have the clock? let's do it. the argument for cutting 65 and 67 years old out of medicare in a deficit talk is simple. it saves money. the keizer family foundation estimates that when it's all said and done, the government could save $5.7 billion in the first year of that plan. but those 65 and 66-year-olds they don't disappear. they are still going to be here and they are even going to get sick sometimes, which means the savings we'd see by kicking them off medicare rolls will pop back up in the economy. it's not pure savings, it's a cost shift. first and foremost, you're going to see increased costs for seniors who will have to find another health insurer since medicare is huge and uses its ba
they are open to it in 2011 in the boehner/obama talks. they are open to it now. what's weird about this policy is it's always presented as the height of fiscal responsibility, even though it's kind of fiscally irresponsible, which brings us to the challenge. why raising the age does not save you very much money and is probably a bad policy idea in under two minutes. do we have the clock? let's do it. the argument for cutting 65 and 67 years old out of medicare in a deficit talk is simple. it...
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with speaker boehner. that reflects his strength. boehner will condition to stand strong as long as he has their support. >> whatever deal he cuts, he will have 80 or 90. >> at the end of the day, yeah. if he agrees to it. that's the thing. you can imagine there will be a lot of pull from a lot of different sides on this within the condition conference. some of these guys are behind him on a lot of things and the conserfative pieces of the coalition there were not going along. there is a long way to go. >> i want to get your takes on this. michigan is losing the fight and the democrats think they will win the political war. is that all they got? you look at the history of the right to work, you never seem to be able to stop. >> it does have challenges. we are calling it right to work is a victory on the right. the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say
with speaker boehner. that reflects his strength. boehner will condition to stand strong as long as he has their support. >> whatever deal he cuts, he will have 80 or 90. >> at the end of the day, yeah. if he agrees to it. that's the thing. you can imagine there will be a lot of pull from a lot of different sides on this within the condition conference. some of these guys are behind him on a lot of things and the conserfative pieces of the coalition there were not going along. there...
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speaker boehner's approval rating is taking a beating. the top tax rates that is a core issue for republicans, even though we are hearing from more of them, a handful of members in both the house and senate talking about the likely hood that that will in fact happen. the highest earners will pay more. that would likely be the last piece of the puzzle in a negotiation. i'm hearing from people in both sides say expect this to keep going and a likelihood if a deal is achievable it will happen close to the deadline seems to be the thinking. they are telling everybody to be prepared to be here during the holidays. we are hearing that as well. there is sort of a resignation that it's going to be a long process. >> thank you, kelly. great le appreciate it. the national political reporter for the atlantic democratic strategist keith bicycle in. amy stoddard, associate editor for the hill paper. thank you all for joining us. let me start off with you. we are going to show our audience later the headlines or a couple of the headlines out there. if
speaker boehner's approval rating is taking a beating. the top tax rates that is a core issue for republicans, even though we are hearing from more of them, a handful of members in both the house and senate talking about the likely hood that that will in fact happen. the highest earners will pay more. that would likely be the last piece of the puzzle in a negotiation. i'm hearing from people in both sides say expect this to keep going and a likelihood if a deal is achievable it will happen...
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to which boehner replied whatever times infinity. to which obama see you tonight on fbn. >> eric: hello. i'm eric bolling with kimberly guilfoyle, bob beckel, dana perino, greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five." ♪ ♪ >> eric: something interesting happened amid all the violence yesterday. america got a glimpse in to the soul of organized labor. >> hey! >> i wasn't talking to you. put your hands on me and see what happens. this is my message. leave us alone. we're done. >> but it wasn't always this way. the labor move in the america was once honorable group interested in carving out a slice of the american pie for the middle class. fast forward through decades of tough economic conditions. competition from china, india and brazil and 12 million americans willing to work for less slashed the union membership. organized later on the brink of collapse and the pressure is getting to them. what was a membership of hardworking men and women and big degenerated to band of anarchist thugs. peaceful protest given way t
to which boehner replied whatever times infinity. to which obama see you tonight on fbn. >> eric: hello. i'm eric bolling with kimberly guilfoyle, bob beckel, dana perino, greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five." ♪ ♪ >> eric: something interesting happened amid all the violence yesterday. america got a glimpse in to the soul of organized labor. >> hey! >> i wasn't talking to you. put your hands on me and see what happens. this is my...
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boehner, let them go. let president obama, let him have two recessions on two terms, that's the only way that they'll cut a time of spending if they're forced to do it. >> you mentioned the number, 5-8 billion dollars, new congress militia numbers out. 4.8 billion dollars a day so far, now, this is for not this year, this is for fiscal year 2013 which began in october. carney, the white house press spokesperson says a number of things about this, take a listen. >> the debt reduction in and of itself is not the goal here. the reason to get our fiscal house in order and the reason to pass a deficit reduction package that's balanced and allows for economic growth and job creation is to put our economy on a sustainable fiscal path. which again, in itself produces positive economic benefits and growth and jobs. >> eric: that's ridiculous, what that man just said, the reason for the discussions is not to cut the deficit, it's to put our economy on a path to fiscal growth and create jobs. the only way to do it is
boehner, let them go. let president obama, let him have two recessions on two terms, that's the only way that they'll cut a time of spending if they're forced to do it. >> you mentioned the number, 5-8 billion dollars, new congress militia numbers out. 4.8 billion dollars a day so far, now, this is for not this year, this is for fiscal year 2013 which began in october. carney, the white house press spokesperson says a number of things about this, take a listen. >> the debt reduction...
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boehner handed over his sword. it's clear the republicans with all the desense among them are ready to raise rates. that's probably going to happen. that's really a rubycon they have to do it raising the eligibility age for medicare, changing the cost of living adjustment means testing. they get nothing. they cannot accept higher rates. if they get something from the president, which he is withholding now, i think that will give them a way to at least honorably hand over a sword but walk out still dressed. >> with their trousers? >> yes. >> that is it for a clothed panel. student for some things that make interviews more interesting than others on capitol hill. you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12ears. aids is strong. aids is strong. but we are stronger. and aids... ♪ aids is goin
boehner handed over his sword. it's clear the republicans with all the desense among them are ready to raise rates. that's probably going to happen. that's really a rubycon they have to do it raising the eligibility age for medicare, changing the cost of living adjustment means testing. they get nothing. they cannot accept higher rates. if they get something from the president, which he is withholding now, i think that will give them a way to at least honorably hand over a sword but walk out...
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they boehner is complaining we're not getting specifics. the republicans gave no specifics and they lost on november 6th. 68% of americans according to a poll released today the wall street journal say the president has the mandate to raise the tax rates and cut en entitlements and spending. >> cenk: people are not approving how boehner is handling this. war on drugs? we have another war here on "the young turks" as we argue about that with a conservative. i'm pumped up. let's see how that goes. >> if all you do is try to find a lease on military solution to the problem a lot of people die and it doesn't solve the problem. >> cenk: and then this amuseing moment happened to one of romney romney's top sporters. >> glen, are you all righthththththththththththththththththththththththththththt (vo) this friday current tv presents a special event. >> nobody knows disasters like comedians. that's why for my upcoming benefit for victims of hurricane sandy, i booked the strongest, smartest comics i could find. my comedian friends and i will raise mo
they boehner is complaining we're not getting specifics. the republicans gave no specifics and they lost on november 6th. 68% of americans according to a poll released today the wall street journal say the president has the mandate to raise the tax rates and cut en entitlements and spending. >> cenk: people are not approving how boehner is handling this. war on drugs? we have another war here on "the young turks" as we argue about that with a conservative. i'm pumped up. let's...
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speaker boehner is not cooperating and telling us what was in it. >> i tnk until speaker boehner and the republicans agree to raise taxes on wealthiest folks there will be no deal, it will be a high stakes game of chicken during a lame duck session of congress, no other deals will get cut. >> john? >> the president campaigned on a balanced approach. a year or so ago, president was talking about 700 billion in taxes, now he doubled it a balanced approach, negotiation would mean you put both taxes and spending on the table. and specify, president is doing neither. this is a game of chicken, which i think is designed to go over the fiscal cliff, and pin the blame on the republins, i understand why the president is doing it for political reasons but i don't think that the republicans have to surrender themselves in this game of chicken. lou: it seems the ultimatum, raise taxes on top 2%, why not let him eat to, it is his decision, go for it, if you don't want a mature, and intelligence, and responsible negotiation, you do not know who you are dealing with, it is called a constitutional b
speaker boehner is not cooperating and telling us what was in it. >> i tnk until speaker boehner and the republicans agree to raise taxes on wealthiest folks there will be no deal, it will be a high stakes game of chicken during a lame duck session of congress, no other deals will get cut. >> john? >> the president campaigned on a balanced approach. a year or so ago, president was talking about 700 billion in taxes, now he doubled it a balanced approach, negotiation would mean...
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>>governor huckabee: but speaker boehner is waiting on the meeting. all weeks the president should have stayed, mr. per officer -- mr. speaker boehner i need to speak with you at the white house and you never turn down that meeting. you call the meeting, you set the table. >>neil: but, governor, if you are seeing to back and forth --. >>guest: >>governor huckabee: it is not good because then you walk in the room and all that sense is there. if you are negotiating to the front page of the "washington post", it is not going well. >>neil: very interesting. i learn something every time with you. thank you are have much, governor. and his hit show is this weekend not as much as "fly me to the noon" special on sunday but okay. a company is ready to fly you to the noon. quite literally. but you better start saving because the p is out of this world. dry mouth may start off as an irritant. it'll cause cavities, bad breath. patients will try and deal with it by drinking water. water will work for a few seconds but if you're not drinking it, it's going to get d
>>governor huckabee: but speaker boehner is waiting on the meeting. all weeks the president should have stayed, mr. per officer -- mr. speaker boehner i need to speak with you at the white house and you never turn down that meeting. you call the meeting, you set the table. >>neil: but, governor, if you are seeing to back and forth --. >>guest: >>governor huckabee: it is not good because then you walk in the room and all that sense is there. if you are negotiating to the...
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boehner will be glad to see the end of mr. demint. >> i'm sure he will. i think it represents the weakens of the tea party within congress. jim demint is a movement conservative. we have certainly not seen nor heard the last of him. he will find other ways to create headaches for both boehner and mcconnell, but i agree with david. most importantly, it may be a slight relief from the headache for john boehner, but he's still got a big challenge in that he is negotiating at this point with himself and not facing the reality that he doesn't really have a lot of leverage. >> indeed. jared, speaking of the details themselves, speaker boehner is saying that his is a serious offer that produces sufficient revenue and savings for the next decade. you're an economist, does it? do his numbers really add up? >> well, no, they don't add up because they lack any level of specificity that you would need to even write them down and put a plus sign next to them so see if they'd add up. he did the same -- >> hang on a second though. he said he stuck $800 billion in revenu
boehner will be glad to see the end of mr. demint. >> i'm sure he will. i think it represents the weakens of the tea party within congress. jim demint is a movement conservative. we have certainly not seen nor heard the last of him. he will find other ways to create headaches for both boehner and mcconnell, but i agree with david. most importantly, it may be a slight relief from the headache for john boehner, but he's still got a big challenge in that he is negotiating at this point with...